Nephilim Mailing List Archive: Templars
From: "Isaacs, Ross" (RISAACS@main.nlc.gwu.edu)
To: Nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:00:38 EST
Subject: The Templars, et. al.
To start off the Nephilim discussion, I'd like to bring up a
subject which has bothered me for a few days now. Who are the
enemies of the Nephilim, and why? What are the goals and objectives,
the raison d'etre, for secret societies?
The book claims that Templars, et. al. oppose Nephilim because of
three reasons (there may be more, correct me if I'm wrong): They
inherited their position from human secret societies in the past;
they want Nephilim for magic; they oppose Nephilim attempts to
control the world. But I think there is more to secret societies
that that.
Secret societies in the 'real world' have independant goals,
usually to acquire power of some sort. Alchemical secret societies
pursue magical power. The Masons were prevalent among the ruling
class; here in America, George Washington was a Mason. So they
pursued political power. Yet the secret societies in the game all
define themselves in regards to Nephilim. I think this puts too fine
a point on the conflict in the game. The Templars are automatically
assumed to be chasing the Nephilim - at least, that's how I've been
thinking of them. Think, "What are the Rosicrucians doing?" and the
response is likely to be "Hunting Nephilim."
Secret societies should be pursuing their own agendas, which the
Nephilim stumble upon and then must thwart. For example, living here
in Washington, DC, I think a lot about politics. (I'd like to write
the DC Sourcebook and Emperor Arcanum Sourcebook for Nephilim =) )
Imagine a scenario where the President's Chief of Staff is a Templar.
This puts him in a position to control who the President sees, and
what agenda items get taken care of. So the Templars control the
President. Now, the Emperor Arcanum is also involved in politics.
They have their own pawns and members in the government. A Nephilim
Congressional Staffer has been asked to help get rid of the Chief of
Staff, but killing is too obvious (though it might be an option for
later). So the Nephilim crafts a bill that is certain to embarrass
the President if it doesn't pass - Health care. The Templar
doesn't want this to pass, so he prevents the President from
dealing with the issue. Or the Templar must let it get to the
President's desk, and makes a note of the young Staffer who bested
him.
I know, this doesn't sound like a great, intense scenario. But
I think it illustrates the potential of a political thriller - full
of intrigue and murder and manipulation. The difference between
reactive and proactive Templar plots is slight, I'll admit. It's
just a different way of approaching secret societies. What do you
think?
Ross A. Isaacs
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From: mikecap@sidehack.gweep.net (Michael V. Caprio Jr.)
Subject: Re: The Templars, et. al.
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:42:54 -0500 (EST)
> The discussion started by Ross is interesting. I don't think that all secret
> societies have the same and only aim: "to hunt Nephilim". To me, each type of
> minor arcanum (wands, swords, cips, and... what is the english word for the
> last one???) has is own motivation.
The word for the minor arcanum you're looking for is either coins or
pentacles depending on the deck you use - the symbol is a round seal
usually with a seal of solomon inside of it (pentagram).
> Templars are violent, they are historically
> fighters, warriors in the tradition of Tubalcaan. The physically hunt the
> Nephilim, that is true. Why? To me, because they fear the Nephilim,
As an aside, I have found that one of the best places to find
historical info about the Templars and occult or mysterious things in
general is on the Learning Channel on cable TV. In one night, I saw
both a special about the search for Templar treasure on "Terra X", and
a retelling of the events concerning Templars at Montsignuer (sp?) on
"Great Castles of Europe". No kidding.
My impression of the Templars is that they are out for world
domination, and nothing less. They know that Nephilim exist, and that
they are a powerful force to be reckoned with - really, the Nephilim
are the only group that stand in the Templar's way for taking over,
since their group is one of the few that know the truth behind the
history of the human race and the secrets of the universe. Obviously
the Nephilim are the most powerful enemy and they must be overcome
first.
Some "historical" Templar background: The Knights of the Temple was a
monastic order of warrior-monks whose job it was to take and hold the
holy land during the early Crusades. I believe they had Jerusalem for
a time, and as they grew in power, they nearly gathered enough
treasure to take over Europe's banking. Eventually their order was
"destroyed" when the Pope of the time and one of the kings ordered
their group to the inquisition. Mysteriously, they simply gave up and
let themselves be tortured. That's about all I can remember off the
top of my head.
The Terra X special I mentioned talked about the historical route that
the Ark of the Covenant took when the Templars captured it and brought
it to Ethiopia. I'd say there's something magical about the Ark
that maybe helped the formation of the Templars along.... but that's
just my opinion.
Mike
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From: "Isaacs, Ross" (RISAACS@main.nlc.gwu.edu)
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:38:17 EST
Subject: Re: The Templars, et. al.
The show you are talking about on TLC also mentioned a sacred
inscription in the temple where the Ark is supposedly being kept. It
is written on the wall, and is kept hidden by the clergy there. They
won't let anyone see the sacred Templar inscription. Also quite
shocking - ruins built around the time of the Templars in Jerusalem
that were decorated with the red solar cross - obviously a Templar
symbol that went ignored for centuries. And, the ruins looked like
something from Europe, not Ethiopia.
TLC and Discovery have several shows that are great for Nephilim -
Histories Mysteries. Archeology. Terra X. Great Castles of Europe.
In one week, I learned about the Mongols, Angkor Wat, the Templars,
the Shroud of Turin and the Sphinx.
To correct the history of the Templars. They were alleged to have
gone over to the Muslim side, practicing un-Christian rites that were
called 'Satanic.' A French (or Spanish) king actually contrived to
get rid of the Templars because he was jealous of their wealth. The
Templars were empowered to collect taxes from pilgrims on the road to
Jerusalem, which made them rich. This king but a bug in the
Pope's ear. The Leader of the Templars was summoned to account for
their practices. The Leader refused to give up the Templar secrets
and paid for it dearly.
Ross A. Isaacs
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From: (jmk@ukc.ac.uk)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 16:49:41 +0000
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: The Templars, et al.
Templars at Montsegur? That was the Albigensians, surely.
Another interesting fact about the demise of the Templars is that,
about to be burned at the stake, the Master, Jacques de Molay, cursed
all who had been responsible for the demise of his Order. King, Pope
and others involved are said to have been affected by the curse, dying
within the year etc.
James K.
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From: (jmk@ukc.ac.uk)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 17:11:45 +0000
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: The Templars
Another interesting fact concerning the Templars - they still exist
in an official form (not just as an order of Freemasonry). When
they were destroyed by the French king in the 14th century, the
Spanish king decided they were too useful in the Reconquista to
lose, and protected all the Templars in Spain, renaming them the
(I believe) Order of Christ. This order still exists.
James K.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 23:52:12 EST
From: Doctor Science (bay@eden.rutgers.edu)
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Nephilim Digest V1 #7
Concerning the Templars in the modern day:
An organization of some three hundred thousand members calling itself the
Knights Templar USA is headquartered in Chicago. It seems that once an
interesting story starts everyone wants to be a main character . . .
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:42:49 -0500
From: duke@iscp.bellcore.com (Bob Robillard)
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: The Templars
[ many bits of historical trivia about the Templars deleted ]
Let us not forget that they were responsible for constructing
the "Maltese Falcon," which caused Sam Spade such trouble.
Maybe Brigit O'Shaughassey was a Neph?
Duke Robillard, duke@cc.bellcore.com
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From: Judy Routt (gelfling@zikzak.apana.org.au)
Subject: Maltese Falcon
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:14:15 +1100 (EST)
(referring to the Templars)
> Let us not forget that they were responsible for constructing
> the "Maltese Falcon," which caused Sam Spade such trouble.
In Dashiell Hammett's original novel, the folks responsible were the
Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem, later called the Knights
of Rhodes. Not the Templars at all. It was obviously changed in the
movie for easier recognition by the general public.
And, yes, there is a scenario in the Maltese Falcon, and I'm working on
prising it free.
Regards,
Judy Routt
gelfling@zikzak.apana.org.au
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From: Laurent.Mynard@laforia.ibp.fr (Laurent MYNARD (equipe MUSTIL).)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:19:23 +0100
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Subject: templars
Some months ago, I read a very interesting book called "the Mysteries
of the Templars", about all the strange or unexplained facts linked
with the Templars (the historical order). I cannot remember the name
of the author right now. One very suprising point was his analysis of
the templar roads, and the disposition of their castles. It seems that
the central point for the templar (in France at least) was La
Rochelle, which had absolutely no importance then. Indeed, the ships
leaving La Rochelle were far from all the strategic aims. The only
explanation, according to the author, was that Templars sailed through
Atlantic to America. La Rochelle is then interesting. Remember the
order disappeared in the 14th century, long before Columbus. He gives
another reason why he believes the Templars were able to sail to
America. Before the Templars, the main metal in Europe was gold. And
there was almost no silver available in Europe. With the Templar, an
huge amount of silver is suddenly available. According to the 14th
c. knowledge, there is no explanation of this sudden apparition,
because even in middle-east, there was few silver. Thus the Templars
cannot have stolen it during the crusades. The author says that the
explanation is that the Templars brought the silver from America. His
demonstration is interesting and logical (what I wrote is only an
abstract). I think this could be interesting from a Nephilim view
point. Any comment?
Laurent.
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From: (BobMohney@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:31:17 -0500
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Maltese Falcon
>>In Dashiell Hammett's original novel, the folks responsible were the
Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem, later called the Knights
of Rhodes. Not the Templars at all.<<
Unless Hammett was actually a spy for the Illuminati wanting to throw
discredit on the Hospital of St. John and then later the Templars. Or
perhaps he was a Templar himself and used the movie to increase the idea that
active Templars are a myth. You always have to look at these situations
several ways, you know.
Bob (Getting steadily more paranoid with each day) Mohney
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From: (Hreidmar@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:41:53 -0500
To: nephilim@erzo.berkeley.edu
Subject: More Maltese Falcon
Yet ANOTHER minor historical reminder: when the Templars were officially
disbanded by the Pope, most of their property (& not a few of their members)
went to the Hospitallers. So it is quite plausible to propose that the
Templars actually costructed the Falcon, even though the Hospitallers got the
credit. Now, that's not even going near the similarities between the Maltese
Falcon & a certain bronze head referred to as Baphomet that crops up in
Templar lore..... :)
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